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“There Are 2 Kinds of Black People…”

December 1, 2009

You know that famous Chris Rock sketch where he talks about the 2 kinds of Black people living in America?

You can look up the video on youtube on your own time, but the script is classic.  Rock outlines the differences between “niggas” and “Black people”.  Black people uphold the law, pay taxes, own their own businesses, are good husbands, fathers, mothers and wives, and take care of their children.

“…we hate black people too! Everything white people don’t like about black people, black people really don’t like about black people ,and there’s 2 sides, there’s black people and theres niggas. The niggas have got to go.You can’t have shit when you around niggas, you can’t have shit. You can’t have no big screen TV! You can have it, but you better move it in at 3 in the morning. Paint it white, hope niggas think it’s a bassinet. Can’t have shit in your house! Why?! Because niggas will break into your house. Niggas that live next door to you break into your house, come over the next day and go, “I heard you got robbed.” Nigga, you know you robbed me. You didn’t see shit ’cause you was doing shit!You can’t go see a movie, you know why? coz niggas is shooting at the screen, “This movie’s so good I gotta bust a cap in here!”You know the worst thing about niggas? Niggas always want credit for some shit they supposed to do. A nigga will brag about some shit a normal man just does. A nigga will say some shit like, “I take care of my kids.” You’re supposed to, you dumb motherfucker! What kind of ignorant shit is that? “I ain’t never been to jail!” What do you want, a cookie?! You’re not supposed to go to jail, you low-expectation having motherfucker!”

No home training, respect for self and others, totally void of good judgment or refined character.  Everyone hates niggas.

Rock doesn’t just desire to point out that not all Black people are the same- he goes on to explain something critical; Black folk hate niggas just like everyone else- but for special reason- they make us all look bad.

As Black people we know that Whites (not all) and others have a difficult time seeing the diversity of our people.  Stereotypes are fed through entertainment, music, video games, and news media that only show the extremes; Oprah or the welfare queen.  Denzel or the drug dealing, gang banging baby daddy.

Obviously (or not) we are much more than that.  But successfully establishing that reality in the minds of everyone else is as impossible as an ant pushing an elephant up an ice covered hill in a blizzard.

The case of Maurice Clemmons, the accused shooter in the Lakewood Police killings has re-highlighted the struggle to not be judge on our race, but the content of our character as individuals.

Clemmons was a career criminal who struggled with mental illness and eventually turned into a desperate man, angry that he was likely going back to prison for the rest of his life for a developing child rape charge.

He spent two full days on the run, across cities and counties, leaving many in fear and panic.

Monday turned into stop-a-Black-man day, with people getting jacked up by police because someone said they “fit” the description.  Some of it is to be expected, I suppose, but knowing now that Clemmons’ own family fanned that fire with false lead to the tip line seems wickedly ironic.  But it wasn’t just them.  People of all races across Tacoma and Seattle looked at Black men differently post-shooting; whether aware of it or not.

Local and national conservative talk radio revealed a narrow, bigoted perspective of the suspect and Black people in general.

Callers claimed a war had been declared on police by Seattle gangs, and that the neighborhood crews were all falling in line.  He cited this case and Monfort, the Tukwila man who killed a Seattle police officer last month.  Monfort acted alone and didn’t remotely fit the gang member label.  Clemmons was a desperate man half out of his mind, from Arkansas.  The caller was wrong- but the host certainly didn’t correct him.  These were not gang members, and there is no war.

Next came a woman who claimed to have ridden the bus the day before and witnessed a group of Black youth on the back of the bus “cheering” at the news that 4 officers were dead.  The caller said they were gang members.  How she spotted this with her naked eye, I’m not sure- but she was certain they were bad, bad bad.

The night of the shooting, as I sat outside the ME’s office waiting for the slain officers’ bodies to arrive, an older white man said to me “one of your people did it.”  Such statements usually provoke multiple reactions from me all at once.  On the outside, I was stoic.

On the inside I was cussing that man out.

On the inside I was cringing that he really felt that way and had no clue what that meant about him.

On the inside I was angry that a part of the situation had become the need for Black people to defend themselves for someone they don’t even know, who doesn’t represent them or act on their behalf.

By mid-afternoon Monday it was clear to law enforcement that friends and family on Clemmons had assisted him after the shooting.  One friend was a getaway driver, a sister bandaged him up and brought him to Seattle.  As if those weren’t bad enough, it was then reported that other friends and family had actively worked to throw police off of Clemmons’ trail by calling in false leads to the official tip line, sending law enforcement chasing their tails.  Investigators expect that 7 people will face charges for their involvement.

Not 1.  Not 2.

7.

With this news, ignorance prevailed.  I heard a man on the radio claim that Black people didn’t believe in law enforcement at all- that we want to do away with cops and rely on the gangs to take care of us.

Yes, these general statements are outrageous, silly even, but they are evidence of deep rooted ignorance about what it means to be Black.

I often tell white people what was told to me as a child; as many Black people there are in the world are as many ways there are to be Black; translation, it’s an individual thing, not necessarily a group thing.  Hearing this at an important age allowed me the courage to define myself, rather than allowing Black people around me or what media calls “Black culture” to define me.  No, I define myself.

Even with the ability to define myself for myself, inside and out, I’m smart enough to know there are times when I don’t have the power to define myself, when stereotypes and ignorance win out, and all people see or hear is what they want to see or hear, what they’re used to and comfortable seeing and hearing.  That’s usually referred as racist or bigoted opinions, even though those holding those opinions don’t like to admit it.

Still, this is what we are all facing today; Black men are being compared to a deranged cop killer, and Black people are looked at as questionable because so many helped this man escape- would we all do that?  That’s what they want to know- and for some who already think we would, the events of the last 72 hours has them now certain we would.

We would help a man by providing medical supplies, food, transportation, and actively lie to police to throw them off the trail of a killer- that’s what we’re up against now.  That doesn’t even give credit to the point that Clemmon’s and his family are “outsiders”- that’s to say- they aren’t from here, but Arkansas.  They’re transplants.

A White person asked me last night “why haven’t you all come out and said something against this man and his family?”

Well, first of all, “we” as Black people are no more responsible for the Clemmons clan as all White people are responsible for David Duke.  That’s just silly.  Second, it’s a damn shame that people would think that it takes a public, verbal damnation to prove that we don’t condone the behavior.  Third, and as noted just a few seconds ago- this isn’t a Seattle family.  These are outsiders, as I and many others see it.

Now don’t get me wrong.  I’m not condemning people from Arkansas- I have family from the Ark.  Nor am I say we here in the PNW live in a perfect society until outsiders come and screw it up.  Violence does not discriminate.

We don’t know who these people are, and even if we did, we don’t have to jump up to criticize what they did to prove that we don’t agree or are as horrified as everyone else is that this happened. We’re pissed to high heaven, not just at the murder, but the conduct of his fam afterward. That is just unacceptable. I hope they are prosecuted to the FULLEST extent of the law.

Nevertheless, they have become the standard by which Blacks are being judged right now, especially in the Pacific Northwest.

Take for example Clemmon’s niece, Destiny Hinton.  Her home was one of four stormed and searched last night in a coordinated effort by law enforcement to search the homes of known family and friends after it was found Clemmon’s was receiving help.  Hinton claims to have not seen or heard from him in over a month, but that didn’t stop the media from taking a close look at her.

In the hours before Clemmons was caught in South Seattle, KIRO TV took to twitter to share Hinton’s myspace page.  What one finds is severely less than flattering.  Some of it is outrageous, borderline on disgusting, depending on your tastes.

Why the media felt the need to point viewers to her myspace, well, you can figure that out yourself I would hope.  There are no pictures of the suspect, there are no comments posted by her about the shooting, and again, he was never at her home.  Seemingly, though related to people who would aid and abed, she has had nothing to do with this case.  Yet the newsmedia wants people to see these pictures, of which there are dozens.

At 28 years old, her profile lists her as a resident of Federal Way, though clearly she lives in Renton which is where police found her.  Her occupation is listed as “entertainer.”  If you don’t know, that means stripper.  Her myspace pictures would seem to support that.  It appears from the pictures she has 3 children; 2 girls and a son.

But they support something else too.  Hinton has a photo album on myspace from Halloween of last year.  Here are just a few of the shots:

In case you’re having trouble differentiating the costumes here, there is a ho, the mother; a pimp, which appears to be the eldest daughter; a gangster/pimp which is her son.  Fantastic.  This is what a mother did for her 3 children for Halloween.  Whether CPS would ever investigate such pictures is questionable, but thanks to the mainstream media putting these images out there- I have no doubt some poor concerned citizen has already made that call.

There are worse pictures of her alone on her site, but, she does enough to further stereotypes against Black women without me posting them for all to see.  It’s public info (until and unless she locks down her acct), you can find them for yourself.

Let me say loud and clear, for all of those who may be confused, or hell, for those who think all Black people are the same- this woman does not represent Black women at all.  She sure as hell doesn’t represent me.

I’m not even going to take issue with her being a stripper- that’s her business.  You can be a stripper and love the hell out of your kids and raise them well.  What I DO take issue with is 1) her poor judgment skills and 2) that people will look at this and think that all Black women would be stupid enough to do such a thing.  I am not the worlds best parent and I never will be- no one is.  But I don’t encourage my kids to glorify a criminal lifestyle (which isn’t the same as thug life, but we’ll start slow here) and I sure as hell don’t walk around my house looking like a stripper.

I don’t identify with or support the actions of this woman or her clan in the least- but because the majority can look at her and turn around and attempt to define us, there is a level of responsibility and obligation I/we carry like a ball and chain.

Don’t want it, can’t get rid of it.

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68 Comments leave one →
  1. Don permalink
    December 1, 2009 2:06 pm

    Everyone in America needs to read this, bravo! I am forwarding it on.

  2. Hector permalink
    December 1, 2009 2:15 pm

    Thankyou for the professional report & comment, SV.

  3. PMM permalink
    December 1, 2009 2:33 pm

    It’s sad that the people that really need to READ and UNDERSTAND this article probably won’t. But I’m certainly passing the link to all my friends. Well thought-out. Well said. Thank you.

  4. Toby Hanson permalink
    December 1, 2009 2:33 pm

    Thank you for the insightful and informative writing. I think that a lot of people forget that any group of people is a group of individuals. Even though there may be commonalities that make individuals more related to one another they remain individuals. Too many people extrapolate the actions or ideas of one person to the group as a whole. I think that’s sad. It’s a symptom of ignorance. It strips people of their independence and makes them static icons of a group at large. People should be viewed on their own terms and judged based on their own actions, not through the prism of what others of a group have done.

  5. trellis permalink
    December 1, 2009 3:12 pm

    Great article. Imagine the situation for Muslim-Americans.

  6. Comment 14 permalink
    December 1, 2009 3:17 pm

    Funny what a difference 40 years makes

    Funny how embarrassment is not lost on the previously humiliated

    No, not the embarrassment of the unfortunate MYSPACE revelation and the lifestyles therein

    The embarrassment felt by the portion of the American population who had the moral high ground taken from them by force (non-violently, of course)

    The portion of the population that saw legal challenge after legal challenge decimate the sanctity of their neighborhood covenants and Jim Crow “protections”

    They witnessed the willfully oppressed eloquently declare to the world in a unified and legally binding manner that the land of the free is truly not as free as you think

    The same ‘Greatest Generation’ that triumphed over the terrifying world threat in WW2 was publicly brought to shame..even made to celebrate the shamer’s birthday!

    Well now a few years have passed…a few people have passed… a few names forgotten.

    A few DRUGS changed hands…..a few movies made… a few songs created…a couple of millionaires to inspire instead of moral leaders, allegiances changed from Power and Protest to Red and Blue

    Now the SHAMED have become the SHAMERS

    Now Shamers who fought for progress are being asked to prove that Progress ever really happened.

    What a difference 40 years makes

  7. Comment 14 permalink
    December 1, 2009 3:27 pm

    “Poundcake Speech” Anyone?

  8. RollingThunder permalink
    December 1, 2009 3:28 pm

    Interesting article to say the least, thought inspiring if nothing else. I can agree with a lot of what you wrote, but I beg to disagree with some of what you wrote. Let me get this out of the way to begin with I’m white and I live in the South. I know; that’s two strikes against me right there. I was raised in the South when the Jim Crowe laws were alive and well. My ancestor’s fought on the side of the South in the War of Northern Aggression (Civil War) and some of my kin may have owned slaves, I don’t know. But, I do know I was raised and brought up to respect the person NOT the color. If Maurice Clemmons was guilty of killing those four officers (or of any of the crimes that he is accused of), he’s a bad person regardless of his color. You made the statement “That doesn’t even give credit to the point that Clemmon’s and his family are “outsiders”- that’s to say- they aren’t from here, but Arkansas. They’re transplants.” Well! How many times have I heard that said by old white Southerner’s talking about people that “ain’t from here”? I’m sorry; there are those out there that make judgments of other people’s worth through their ignorance. But, you’re right about one thing and that is there are two kinds of Black people: the good and the bad, of course the same could be said about White people, Green people, ect, ect.. Regardless of color there are five people dead and 5 families that are hurting and will never be the same, and that’s a shame.

  9. Comment 14 permalink
    December 1, 2009 3:30 pm

  10. Paula permalink
    December 1, 2009 3:42 pm

    It is so important for our community to openly discuss the racism that is endured everyday. I applaud you and your blog.

    People are so afraid to talk and express their fears and experiences, but that is they only way we will evolve and grow to a better understanding of ourselves and each other.

    I’ve been reading about the racist allegations against the police officers involved and curious to learn if there is any truth to these allegations or if radical fanatics are just taking this opportunity to stir the race pot. Clearly Clemmons was a disturbed man. It is a sad situation but just a drop in the bucket of what happens in our world everyday.

    Peace to you,
    Paula

  11. sn0tteh permalink
    December 1, 2009 3:55 pm

    Interesting. Yesterday, so many people said, “I would NOT want to be a black man in Seattle today.” I nervously laughed, cringed, agreed, reflected. I’m not Black but I AM a recently-injured person of color – and even though I’m female, I purposely didn’t go out yesterday. It didn’t feel right, or good, or safe; there was an alleged murderer on the loose, and a lot of angry people with comments and assumptions just like you’ve described. It made me look at Seattle in a whole different light. Great post, thanks.

  12. December 1, 2009 5:15 pm

    I *really* look forward to the day posts like this are unnecessary.

    I’m white – my first reaction to the killings and description of Clemmons was, “When are law enforcement, government and the courts going to get it right? When are these killers going to get the proper confinement they should receive? How many more people will die before judges and elected officials stop letting these people out on the street?”

    These murderers clearly verbalize their intention – when will someone listen to them and stop them?

    I guess the specificially “black” part didn’t enter the picture for me because I’m so used to hearing about white, Asian, black – all races men – killing their families: wives, children, in-laws, neighbors and/or girlfriends.

    Same scenario. He’s pissed. He tells people – often including targeted victims – he is going to kill them.

    No one does anything.

    Bang.

    Doesn’t matter what race is holding the gun – it will keep happening until we stop these guys and get guns out of their hands.

    As a parolee, he should not have had a gun, so whoever provided it should be arrested as well.

    But they’ll probably only be held only until someone defends what they consider their constitutional right to bear any arms they wish under any circumstance they wish at any time they wish.

    Bang.

  13. Crystal permalink
    December 1, 2009 5:27 pm

    I am so thankful that you wrote this. I’m a Black woman, and I often have this conversations with other black people. I’m shocked and horrified by the brutal murder of the four honorable Lakewood police officers who were serving and protecting our community. MOST OF US FEEL THIS WAY. For every black thug that you roll your eyes at, there are two of us who are doing the same PLUS we’re mad because we know people think we condone or accept their behavior. So why don’t more non-black know we feel this way?

    I see a reluctance from older generations within the Black community to call out anything Black as bad, even while condemning it privately. I think it stems from living through Jim Crow laws and horrible racism, which created a collective “unite and stick together mentality.” That mentality brought progress and led our nation through the civil rights movement then, but it has an absolutely corrosive effect now.

    Combine this with the media-loving “black leaders” like Al and Jesse that NONE of us voted for and most of us have MAJOR issues with, who seek the spotlight and are on the speed dial of every major news outlet to give the “Black” opinion. Often the broad range of individuals and opinions in the black community is (mis)represented in the media by just a few people: the head of the NAACP or Urban League, the pastor of the biggest local black church, the black politician, and maybe an athlete or entertainer. These factions represent the “black opinion” as well as Mel Gibson, Al Gore, Jimmy Swaggart, and Dr. Phil represent the opinion of white Americans.

    It’s frustrating that these people are viewed as authoritative by those outside of the black community. Especially when these people are more willing to call a press conference to question why a policeman would shoot a black man charging at him with a machete (duh!) than condemn issues like the pathetic, atrocious and borderline criminal example of (non)parenting detailed in the pictures above. Saddest of all is the fact a segment of the black community, in the absence of quality parenting or guidance, has bought into the images and shucksters in the media and believe that there is a “black” way to think and act, and often that equates to “thug.”

    Until we in the black community start having more public and cross-racial conversations on this topic, stereotypical views, attitudes, and assumptions will continue. I think this article is a great example of just that kind of public conversation.

  14. Jeff permalink
    December 1, 2009 5:39 pm

    Fantastic blog. I’ll be the first to admit, I have a problem w/ racism. That being said, I really try not to judge someone by the color of their skin. I do believe that there are two types of black people in this world: blacks and niggers, and I also believe that Chris Rock’s definitions suffice. I really try not to think this way, but animals like Maurice Clemmons make it very difficult. I don’t consider him a human being. I consider him one step down from a rabid dog. Therefore, him being shot dead in the street is the best thing that could’ve happened.

    Btw, I viewed Destiny Hinton’s MySpace page. Most of her pictures are not to be believed from a young mother w/ three young children, but it’s the kind of thing that I’d expect from her based on the caption on one of the only respectable pictures on her profile. It’s a picture of her and two of her children w/ a caption that reads: my family I will kill a nigga for blood [sic].

    I recently watched a wonderful documentary called Crips and Bloods: Made in America. It had a rather profound effect on me, and it made me scrutinize my views on black America. It’s not right that I consider someone a nigger based on their actions. I should simply consider them a poor excuse for a human being, no matter their color. However, I know how hateful and spiteful it is to use the term nigger, which is why I’ve used it in the past to describe these types of people. Moving forward, though, I am trying my best to change my viewpoint.

    Thanks very much for your thoughts on this, Sable. I respect you both as a person and an author. I am sorry that you are forced to live w/ contempt that comes from people such as myself, and I promise you that I will do my best to correct my ways of thinking. Thanks, again, for your thoughts.

  15. Sable permalink*
    December 1, 2009 5:40 pm

    @RollingThunder(love that name) I would have said that if they were from Iowa. It wasn’t a diss to the Ark, hell I have fam in Arkansas. The point was that many white people want to know why the so called Black community HERE didn’t come out en masse to say we don’t condone this behavior. The point was, many here do not see them as “1 of us”. It’s not as if this was a member of some long standing black Seattle family who helped found the city. We don’t know whotf these people are, and even if we did, we don’t have to jump up to criticize what they did to prove that we don’t agree or are as horrified as everyone else is that this happened. We’re pissed to high heaven, not just at the murder, but the conduct of his fam afterward. That is just unacceptable. I hope they are prosecuted to the FULLEST extent of the law.

  16. killtruck permalink
    December 1, 2009 5:47 pm

    I’m part of the bigoted, white conservative community you seem to be referencing and generalizing (hypocrite). This is the first I’ve heard the race factor brought into this discussion.

    On the other hand, I was prepared to read yet another Sharpton style race baiting session where society would be blamed for making Clemmons the way he was etc.

    I wish we could talk about race more openly and honestly, but it seems things are going the other direction and race relations are going in reverse.

    I would hope, with the manhunt over, we could come together in support of the 4 shattered families and the grieving police department who continue to protect and serve in the midst of their pain.

  17. John permalink
    December 1, 2009 5:58 pm

    Great points made in your article, thank you. But I’d like to point out a subtle bigotry embedded in that article – that against “outsiders”. You define “outsiders” as “transplants”, those who moved here, who weren’t born here. Why did you feel the need to make this point? As an “outsider”, who moved here 20 years ago, I can tell you I have felt this bigotry. It is no more fair than other kinds of bigotry. We should be all treated the same, no matter where we are originally from.

  18. Indivisual permalink
    December 1, 2009 6:21 pm

    You can’t tell me it’s racism when people like Hinton exist.

    Stereotypes come from *somewhere*. No matter how grotesque the portrayal, it always comes from a grain of reality. Somewhere along the line, enough people acted in enough of a similar fashion as to be caricatured. That caricature had to be accurate enough and recognizable enough to be passed on from person to person until it became a prevalent stereotype.

    There are far more Hintons in the world than you would let us believe. How many Hintons have you seen on Jerry Springer, or on that one street of your town, or interviewed in passing on the news? Hinton *is* a representative of a portion of black culture. Thus, the stereotype of Hinton is validated and exacerbated every time we see another Hinton.

    Stereotypes will end when people stop living up to them.

  19. Andre Helmstetter permalink
    December 1, 2009 6:24 pm

    You are so right on so many points in this article. But I do have to point out that every group has these kinds of people. In fact, much of this behavior can be linked directly to economics, education, and… a history of some kind of institutionalized oppression. The difference is in how society deals with these people. If you are black, poor, and thuggish, you are a target. If you are white poor and thuggish there is a certain level of acceptance and even national pride in maintaining hateful, xenophobic, uneducated attitudes. This is what we are up against. And really? Is it really that surprising when someone lashes out like this? This stuff happens to (even nice) black folks all the time. It’s open season on us. Has been for a long time. You certainly didn’t see the cops executing the shooter of Aaron Sullivan like they did Clemens and Mumford. In fact all the comments in the Times were pretty forgiving. White glove all the way.

    So yeah… they piss me off and they are not representative of me. But face it, we’re on the bottom and will be judged by our worst elements. Whether we like it or not, if we really want to see change, we will have to bring it about. We need to stop trying to get others to stop stereotyping, and work within our (reluctant) communities to stop stereotyping ourselves. We need to stop teaching those who would oppress us, and start teaching those for whom we have the inseparable bond of color.

    In your last sentence you say, “Don’t want it, can’t get rid of it”. So… what would you suggest?

  20. Wes permalink
    December 1, 2009 6:58 pm

    I think this “He’s a nigger; I’m a Black Man” issue is divisive and purely negative.
    Black people should show more support for all fellow Brotha’s regardless in my view.

    Regarding this particular case I wish the other so-called “Black People” would show more perseverence and investigate the possible cause and effect of this incedent of “niggerism”. I, for one, find that after 5 years as a legal black man how is it he suddely gets a rape and an assaulting a police officer charge!?

    I betcha it’s was retaliation against being shafted and railroaded by the police.
    This time I think they chose the wrong “Crazy Nigga”

  21. Don permalink
    December 1, 2009 7:00 pm

    Nice article, I’m very impressed.

    FYI, I’m a 40 something white guy who despite hearing lots of poisonous racial comments as a kid doesn’t even vaguely think that every black person out there is like this. And have you looked at society these days? It’s all about crass, creepy stuff like those Halloween pictures.

    Oh, and just to make things even more interesting, I’m also an NRA member who doesn’t want any violent thug (be they white, black or green) to have access to a gun.

  22. Bones permalink
    December 1, 2009 8:34 pm

    This is a tremendous topic and well discussed right up until “Wes” chimed in. I would ask him which black man does he think he’s supporting? Where has the “shafted by the police” argument ever helped a black man? Are you complementing someone by referring to them as a “Crazy Nigga”? If so, you’re too much a fool to realize which side of the Black Man–Nigga spectrum you reside on.

  23. sharla unruh permalink
    December 1, 2009 8:50 pm

    Sable, Thanks for your well-written blog. I would think that more people do understand the differences. I feel sad that you have been treated poorly because of what another has done. I am a mother myself and surely believe no one is perfect. I am sure that you will have children to be proud of. I know they must be proud of their mother.

  24. December 1, 2009 9:12 pm

    This was right on point! EXCELLENT!

  25. Chris permalink
    December 1, 2009 9:33 pm

    Really great article, of course im forwarding this.

    The only thing im on the fence about, is that I wouldnt discount what the lady on the bus saw or heard. Plenty of people here in Oakland called Lovell Mixon a hero of sorts after he killed 4 police officers. Google his name and you will see pictures of all his support, even pictures proclaiming him to be a warrior.

    America has come a long way in a relatively short time, but it painfully seems, it still has very far to go.

  26. Thomas permalink
    December 1, 2009 9:45 pm

    Bill Cosby is right. African American people need to be held accountable by African American people. You have SEVEN, yes SEVEN African American people that apparently don’t give a damn about a $125,000.00 reward, or more importantly the destruction of 4 white families. But would rather protect a black man that killed 4 white cops. Don’t talk about racism, when you have 7 African American people defending this horrific killer. 53 deaths were attributed to the riots involving Rodney King. How many do you suppose were white people? Rodney King did not die. We have 4 white police officers that are dead. What would have happened if the situation was reversed? What if it would have been 4 black people dead at the hands of a white man? Riots would have lasted for days. It’s a double standard. This is worse then Rodney King, but you don’t have white people rioting, and beating the hell out of African Americans now do you? Only white people were targeted, by an African American. Racism is alive and well, and to be “morally correct” you cannot object to the killing of your friends and family by a racist if you are white. If the situation were reversed, the whole country would be talking about racism and how the white man destroyed 4 black families. But it was a black man that killed whites, so to be “politically correct”, we cannot be allowed to bring up race, or to be angry about it. SEVEN African Americans decided that $ 125,000.00 was not as important as the deaths and the destruction of 4 white families.

  27. Sarah Polda permalink
    December 1, 2009 11:05 pm

    It was the summer of 1952. An elderly white man waited in the hot Memphis sun at a bustop. When the bus arrived, he boarded, dropped coins in the fare box, and surveyed the crowded bus for a seat. Just one double seat was open. Passengers watched him surreptiously as he made his way to it. This seat was in the back half of the bus, in the second row of the designated “colored” section. Right in front of this seat, in the first row of the “colored” section, a young black woman sat, her gaze cast downward, her hands resting on her purse in her lap. As soon as the elderly white man sat down, behind the young black woman, the bus came to a sudden, lurching stop, causing the brakes to squeal, and the passengers to lurch forward, and then fall back against their seats. Some passengers dropped items. They did not try to retrieve them.
    “Get out of that seat you black bitch and don’t you NEVER sit in front of a white man again!” screamed the bus driver, a heavy young man with thinning red hair, perspiring profusely. The black woman and the white man wordlessly changed seats. Satisfied, the driver walked back to his seat, put the bus in gear, and drove. Passengers who dropped items picked them up.
    A young white man, visiting Memphis, was on that bus. He observed the incident and remembered it, long after he pulled the cord to disembark.
    Twenty years later, the observer lived in Illinois with his family. They took trips to Chicago, not to see the Cubs, but to Malcolm X Community College to see the black Oldsmobile in the lobby- the car in which Malcolm was assassinated. Instead of visiting the Arch in St. Louis, the observer took his family to Harrisburg, Illinois, the site of a house that was used to breed slaves, after England ended its participation in the slave trade. The observer and his family had several foster kids, one of whom was African American. Many people in the small, southern Illinois town were highly disapproving.
    It was the summer of 2002. The observer, now in his 80’s, was living with one of his daughters. He waited in the drizzle at a Seattle bus stop. When the bus arrived, the observer boarded, swiped his bus pass, and sat down next to a young African American woman, in the second of two front, side-facing seats. The bus continued on its route and, after a couple of blocks, the young woman rose as the bus approached a stop. She began to descend the steps of the bus as the door opened. The observer slid over to her vacant seat, to be closer to the door. The young woman suddenly decided not to disembark, and when she saw the observer sitting in her former seat, she screamed at him to get out of her motherfucking seat. Wordlessly, the observer slid back to his former seat. The young woman sat back down next to him, and the bus continued on its way. The incident was not acknowledged by the bus driver or the passengers, who, for the most part, were listened to Ipods, talking on cell phones, sleeping, or dealing with active young children.
    10 blocks and 50 years later, the bus stopped, and, after the observer disembarked, it continued on its slow progress.

  28. Marguerite Cross permalink
    December 1, 2009 11:37 pm

    I agree with you on many points in your article and even more-so one of your respondents, Andre Helmstetter. This element exists in every group, it’s just that if you are aon the bottom of the social ladder the negative behaviors are attributed to the group. I really don’t care about the stereotyping anymore because in a country foundationed in racism and caste systems, stereotypes that harm people of color are inevitable. One of your respondents stated that there is a “grain of truth” to the stereotypes, therefore it can’t be racism; although he fails to see that whites are not defined by the lowest common denominators that share their same skin color, they are not defined by the child molestor’s among them, or the serial killers, or the rapists, etc—just as blacks aren’t defined by the Oprah Winfrey’s among us, or the Chris Rocks, or the Barack Obama’s, or the Marguerite Cross'(hahaha).

    What really bothers me about this incident is that everyone rushes to blame the justice system when it is plain to see that the individual was mentally ill; I have had clients in the public mental health system that sounded much like he did in the end…so, what bothers me is that people want to be rugged individualists here in the US and want limited social safety nets; well,this is the outcome of limited social safety nets, there is no correctional facility that could have made this guy better–in fact, his time in lock up most likely contributed to his ultimate bloody end. He was given a mental health examination, and due to the lack of funding (really), it takes an act of congress to have someone committed. For God’s sake, they say the man thought he was Jesus Christ! Was prison really the place for him? This was not a Black problem, this is an American problem. Until the rest of the country realizes that we all share in the good and the bad, collectively, these types of trite divisions will continue to plague us, as we are all Americans.

    So, as black people, I say we stop being so defensive about wrong-doing done by other blacks (not easy to do) and begin to call out whites (and others) on their passively racist comments, on the spot–the response to the old guy who told you that one of your kind did this–should have been told that as an American,it was also one of his people.

    Just as the bad apples can obscure the good folks in the black community (albeit because of deep institutional racism), the very rich and successful among the whites obscures the deep troubles working class and poor whites are experiencing. Our economic practices and ideology hurt every american and our racial division continues to allow the real elite to exploit every american and use a racial red herring, or some other prop to get people to hold the wrong people accountable. In an aside, it does bother me that they shot the accused rather than took him in alive.

    So, what is to be done…I am still developing that ….

  29. croydonfacelift permalink
    December 2, 2009 1:26 am

    Wes, you are plumb out of your mind. I know you won’t consider the possibility, but you really need to. Sable V., very nice piece.

  30. Dee Dub permalink
    December 2, 2009 2:42 am

    You make some very mature and salient points, Mr Author.
    Now go get Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to organize a march for the 4 white families destroyed by Mr Insane Black Man, and all will be forgiven.

  31. December 2, 2009 8:34 am

    Good writing, however I think that too many generalities about African Americans and White have been made. Keep writing I try to read everything you publish.

  32. December 2, 2009 9:05 am

    I was initially hesitant to read the post based on how it was portrayed by retweets on twitter. But glad I did.

    When I read it, I wasn’t initially sure how to take it…so read it again later. Again, glad I did.

    You do not want to be judged by the actions of some within your race, but by your own life and actions. And rightfully so. Nor do I want to be judged by the actions and prejudices within my race (now or in the past)…so we both come to the place best summarized by Dr. King, where we are judged by the content of our character.

    We’re not yet fully there, but the more of us that decide to live according to that creed, the closer we come.

  33. Sable permalink*
    December 2, 2009 9:17 am

    Dawn, that was kinda the point!

  34. Rick R permalink
    December 2, 2009 11:35 am

    White people don’t often get it.

    Several Christmases ago I heard a weird noise, went on my porch and some young black thug was using a shovel to open a window of my neighbor’s house. I hollered, he ran, I called 911 with a pretty sharp description. Two minutes later the cops picked me up to ID someone three blocks away.

    They had some middle aged African American man in full jogging attire splayed out on the hood of a patrol car. It was NOTHING like the description I gave, except one detail.

    I was sick, thinking about a jogger on Christmas Day, having his afternoon run ruined, and how awful it was.

    Thank you for your writing and thoughts on this matter.

  35. Sable permalink*
    December 2, 2009 12:46 pm

    Thank you for sharing that Rick, that was very pointed.

  36. Don permalink
    December 2, 2009 5:05 pm

    I don’t see black people as being responsible for something a Sharpton says, any more than I’d be responsible for silencing a KKK creep.

    And as for Clemmons specifically targeting white police officers, does someone really think that if 1-2 of the officers murdered in Seattle had been black, Clemmons would have spared them? I *really* don’t think so.

    Clemmons was a deranged criminal and has as much in common with ordinary black folks based on their color as I have in common with Charles Manson because we’re both white. Nothing whatsoever.

  37. DMSY Mom permalink
    December 2, 2009 11:12 pm

    WOW I have never been asked by anyone to account for the injustice perpetrated by anyone of my same race. I am sorry you felt that it was your responsibility to atone for a crime that was not your own.

  38. December 3, 2009 5:40 am

    Oh, quit with all of this ‘equal’ shit…….

    Black culture IS the problem in this country…….

    95% of blacks think Whites are these evil and bigotted fools……….but in reality its resentment for the exclusive nature and non-conformity to the American way….

    I say split the country and let everyone live with whom and what race and culture they choose…..that way blacks could build more piramids, fly around them and strain another devil from the black gene………….

    We are not equal, people….blacks can get food, housing, jobs, entitlements like no other people in this nation…….hell, look at who is in the White House….

    Do you people actually think or believe for one second that if obama was White he wouldve made it in??….

    Its because hes black (dont hand me none of that ‘Hes half-White’ bullshit…thats for the ‘enlightened’ and college educated fools)…..

    Whites have slobbered over, worshipped and given everything blacks ever asked for……..and we’re still hated….

    This shooting was in a White part of America, a White part of town….by a black with a black attitude….

    Say what you have been taught to say, it doesnt matter……..people know what the truth is whether they say it or not…..

    Let me tell you all something…….Whites are mad….Whites are fed-up with the coddling of minorities while the minority continues to hate and despise us…….

    And NOW……..its hits us personally…..and we’re going to fight it personally….

    And I understand that there are 2 kinds of blacks……….but the fact of the matter is that the percentage of good blacks is so low compared to the percentage of bad blacks…….

    and if you good blacks dont put them in check………it will be up to us to deem you all personally guilty…….

  39. Gayla permalink
    December 3, 2009 5:51 am

    Instead of lumping all black people in the Clemmons sad saga together as being evil we need to look at there is a deficit/dysfunction in this society that includes all races of people. Check out the crimes committed by whites, asians and hispanics across the globe. Its not a race catagorized issue but of lost souls that have no purpose or room for God’s guidance in their lives. These people will do anything without restraints.

    Gail

  40. Comment 41 permalink
    December 3, 2009 12:33 pm

    I applaud you Sable for allowing the comment from “Grafted Devil” to post.

    Surely,

    the reach of individuals who wish to ignorantly add white supremacist nonsense to any debate regarding African Americans would not miss your wonderful blog….you’ve come a long way baby!

    Now to other things…..

    The Clemmons case has an interesting similarity to the Larry Davis situation in NYC circa 1987 or so.

    The differences are obvious, but the reactionary talking points, the supposed support, and the Police manhunt/investigation all follow the exact same line.

    Two glaring differences is the media coverage and ACTUAL positive community wide support Larry Davis recieved

    It was live and loud in an area of the city that police nicknamed “Ft Apache” due to their seemingly embattled state and the constant threat from “the Indians”

    This particular period in New York history saw the avalanche of drugs, drug profits, and drug related crime all culminate with the glaring figure of Larry at the forefront.

    The Media ate it up. It fed on Larry’s Robin hood Status providing equal time to the investigators in the case, and the seemingly jubilant community who supported him.

    The police in that case were thoroughly embarrassed, with one of the lead detectives calling a particular part of the manhunt “a mickey mouse organization”

    Pick it up here in 2009, and once again the similarities are present but the differences glaring

    One, actual verifiable community support: non-existent Media coverage: Manhunt for murderer and Clemmons’ past..thats it

    Sure, this case is heavily influenced by the Halloween incident
    but the talking points and attitude of some would have you believe that Clemmons truly enjoyed some hero status.

    PS- A little more for the troll ‘er “Grafted Devil”:

    The area immediately outside of McChord Air Force base is hardly a “white area” and if anyone needs to “check” a certain subset of their prospective culture, people who consider themselves American citizens need to truly address the racist/supremacist garbage that rears it’s head during every “Democratic” presidency in this Country

    1994, 1995, 1998: Militia movement
    2009: Racist “cyber” grafitti

  41. jane doe permalink
    December 3, 2009 1:02 pm

    I can sympathize with Sable being infuriated with the “you people” comment she received.
    Being white I’ve received many similar comments from black people-
    “You might not have owned slaves but your ancestors did”
    actually none of my ancestors lived in a state that had slavery. Furthmore there are plenty of Africans who have ancestors who owned slaves, whether in this country of Africa

    A couple weeks after Katrina I was walking down Pine St on Capital Hill and there were two young black women walking in front of me. They loudly laughed about how they hoped a similar incident (to Katrina) would happen to white people. They loudly laughed about how funny it would be with all those white folks dead. They kept on this babble for a long time. I felt like telling those two obese bitches that my brother, like many white people, was in New Orleans helping, while they sat on their fat black butts doing nothing to help. I also was infuriated at the knowledge that because they were black I was not supposed to take them to task. I get sick of black people pointing the finger at white people as being “entitled” and “arrogant” when I see thinkgs like this. I have no doubt if I were walking in a predominately black part of town loudly saying how funny dead black folks would be I would be taken to task, and quickly.
    On a side not, for all her babbling about this she, like most people, in unaware that most of those killed in Katrina were white.

  42. Black Violent Crime in Seattle permalink
    December 3, 2009 1:11 pm

    http://tinyurl.com/no5knk

    From the article “List of 2008 homicides in Seattle” from the Seattle PI

    selected from the list of the 28 Seattle homicides in 2008….

    Allen Joplin, Jan. 4 — black killed by black

    De’Che Morrison, Jan. 10 — black killed by black

    Maurice “Moe” Allen Jr., Jan. 26 — black killed by black

    Degene Barecha, Jan. 30 — black killed by black

    Perry Henderson, Feb. 6 — black killed by black

    Stephan Dwaine Stewart, April 2 — black killed by black

    Eldora Earlycutt, July 4 — black killed by black

    James Paroline, July 10 — white killed by black

    Troy Peters, July 22 — black killed by black

    Pierre Lapoint, Aug. 5 — black killed by black

    Jane Kariuki, Oct. 16 — woman of unknown race killed by black man named Christel D. Murphy

    Quincy S. Coleman, Oct. 31 — black killed by black

    Edward McMichael, the “Tuba Man”, Nov. 3 — white killed by multiple blacks

    Nathaniel Lee Thomas, Nov. 23 — black killed by black

    So by my count blacks (8% of Seattle) were the killers in at least half (that’s at least 50%) of the murders in the Seattle area in 2008. At least five of the other murderers were latinos.

    The numbers are actually worse for 2009 and approach the 85% mark.

  43. BLAC MURDER IN SEATTLE permalink
    December 3, 2009 2:33 pm

    http://tinyurl.com/no5knk

    From the article “List of 2008 homicides in Seattle” from the Seattle PI

    selected from the list of the 28 Seattle homicides in 2008….

    Allen Joplin, Jan. 4 — black killed by black

    De’Che Morrison, Jan. 10 — black killed by black

    Maurice “Moe” Allen Jr., Jan. 26 — black killed by black

    Degene Barecha, Jan. 30 — black killed by black

    Perry Henderson, Feb. 6 — black killed by black

    Stephan Dwaine Stewart, April 2 — black killed by black

    Eldora Earlycutt, July 4 — black killed by black

    James Paroline, July 10 — white killed by black

    Troy Peters, July 22 — black killed by black

    Pierre Lapoint, Aug. 5 — black killed by black

    Jane Kariuki, Oct. 16 — woman of unknown race killed by black man named Christel D. Murphy

    Quincy S. Coleman, Oct. 31 — black killed by black

    Edward McMichael, the “Tuba Man”, Nov. 3 — white killed by multiple blacks

    Nathaniel Lee Thomas, Nov. 23 — black killed by black

    So by my count blacks (8% of Seattle) were the killers in at least half (that’s at least 50%) of the murders in the Seattle area in 2008. At least five of the other murderers were latinos.

    The numbers are actually worse for 2009 and approach the 85% mark.

  44. December 3, 2009 3:19 pm

    I have so many comments, but I will start with Grafted Devil.

    When Charles Manson committed his acts, were whites subjected to disdain?

    When Dillinger, Capone and Nelson, Bonnie and Clyde were terrorizing Americans, did whites examine their culture?

    When Hitler and his minions killed innocent men, women and children, did whites questiom themselves?

    When Jim Jones off and killed innocents in Guyana, where were you?

    Mengele? Where were you?

    Stalin, Lenin…Where were you?

    See, people like you like to deflect because then you don’t have to reflect on your OWN shortcomings.

    If you are Irish, Jewish, German, Italian and anything that hasn’t landed on Plymouth Rock or Jamestown, you have no business throwing stones.

    Unlike you, I am well read in American history. It shows, for you are a simp. Every minority group, regardless of race has been blamed for actions of few. The Irish can tell you. Jews can tell you. Germans and Russians can tell you.

    And do you really need me to break down the crime situation in this country? I can go there if you want. You don’t want me to, thoughm. I can guarantee you that.

    Sable, great post. I’ve got more coming.

    When white people put out press releases condemning Manson, Dahmer, Hitler, Mengele and every Klan member known to man,blacks will be more than happy to do the same. You go first! Whenever you’re ready…

    I was pissed at hell at the “tragic negroes” who were involved in this, and I am so sorry for the families. I’ll be damned if an ignorant boor and knave tries to lump me in with anyone, black (yes, they’re doing it too) or white or purple.

  45. December 3, 2009 3:36 pm

    Correction: I am sorry for the families of the four slain officers, and pissed as hell at the bastards who helped the beast that was Clemmons.

    Damned blackberry keyboards…

  46. BLAC MURDER IN SEATTLE permalink
    December 3, 2009 3:40 pm

    PUHLEEEEEZ!!!!!!!!

    Charles Manson = over 40 years ago

    Dillinger, Capone and Nelson, Bonnie and Clyde = well over 60 years ago

    Hitler = over 60 years ago

    Jim Jones = over 30 years ago

    Mengele = over 60 years ago

    Columbine = over 10 years ago

    Jeffrey Dahmer = over 20 years ago

    Ted Bundy = over 30 years ago

    Stalin, Lenin = well over 60 years ago
    ==========

    Blacks, on the other hand, make up only about 13% of the USA but are responsible for committing over 52% of all murders and over 34% of all forcible rapes in the USA every single year.

    In the last 9 years of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, about 6,200 Coalition soldiers have been killed. This includes accidents.

    In those same 9 years, in the USA, over 67,680 black people have been murdered by other black people.

    Blacks kill HUNDREDS of people in the USA almost EVERY SINGLE DAY OF EVERY YEAR.

  47. December 3, 2009 3:42 pm

    @Jane Doe

    Why DIDN’T you say something then? You are projecting your guilt and your anger at your fear to speak up on us and that’s not fair. I am not trying to be mean. In fact, I am saying this because I would’ve SAID something to them myself. That’s bull and I cannot stand fools.

    We are not telling you that you cannot stand up for truth, justice or “right.” I am not giving you a pass to respond in racist kind, because then all three of you would have looked like morons. I am saying that if you are entitled to say, “You know what? Shut the bleep up. How would you feel if I talked about your people like that?”

    This is not directed at you, but I get so tired of hearing about WP feeling they can’t speak up. As long as you are not spouting off the same foolishness you’re hearing, stand up! I would. You don’t have to cast your pearls unto swine, but don’t get mad at me (or everyone else) for not doing so.

    I mean that in a sincere and kind way. My words may sound harsh, but I shoot from the hip and don’t coddle people.

  48. December 3, 2009 3:44 pm

    Correction: Sorry for the families of the four officers and the criminal’s aunt, who did the right thing and called the police and removed herself.

  49. December 3, 2009 4:17 pm

    @48

    No, you spare me. I anticipated your response, and I (rightfuly) did not hold out ANY hope that you would get it. First and foremost, what does the span of time since the crimes were committed have to do with my rebuttal for calls for a mass apology from BP for the crimes committed by the dastardly Clemmons?

    Secondly, I’ll see your hundreds, and raise you MILLIONS. What say you, sir?

  50. December 3, 2009 4:24 pm

    Blacks kill HUNDREDS of people in the USA almost EVERY SINGLE DAY OF EVERY YEAR.

    =========================================================================================
    One last thing, because your ignorance would be amusing if it weren’t so pathetic and dangerous, sir.

    Those hundreds are mostly BM and BW (and children) sadly. I could get into that with you, but you aren’t even mentally capable of grasping that sociological discussion, so I won’t bother.

    And I just chuckle at your “HUNDREDS” when Hitler HIMSELF killed OVER…

    wait for it….

    wait for it….

    SIX MILLION PEOPLE! That is, numerically, 6,000,000. That was JUST Hitler. I urge you to fall, as I will most surely rise above you in this argument. If you don’t, that’s okay too. >:}

  51. BLAC MURDER IN SEATTLE permalink
    December 3, 2009 4:27 pm

    Blacks have killed millions of other blacks in the last ten years in Africa alone. There. I more than match your “raise”. Blacks still enslave blacks in every black-run country in Africa, this very moment, according to the United Nations. Most of these slaves have been enslaved on a family/hereditary basis for over 400 years!!!!! This is not the fault of whites and is SOLELY the fault of blacks.

    If you can’t see a difference between posting a few white assholes spread out over the ENTIRE LAST HUNDRED YEARS and the fact that blacks kill HUNDREDS of people every single day in the USA, then you truly are one of the most willfully blind and naive pollyanna white liberals on Earth.

  52. Sable permalink*
    December 3, 2009 4:28 pm

    I have to say, I do let out a heavy sigh every time someone tosses these silly bones into an argument. You don’t know what the “you people” comment is like because people point out the fact that you as a white person benefit from the racist practices and policies our country was founded on- slavery. That’s totally apples and oranges. I DO understand what you’re aiming at, and the frustration of which you speak, BUT THEY ARE NO WHERE NEAR THE SAME.

    Further, if I walk around with the mentality that I need to fear black people or black men more than anyone else, well, that’s called internalized racism. We all have issues that we need to check within ourselves when it comes to perspective and understanding of social stratification and why people do the things they do in society. It’s not based on race, but impacts it severely- there is a difference there.

    Finally… gawd, what was I going to say…it is sad, but typical, that when I point out OBVIOUS racism in the words and actions of other people, as an OBSERVATION, not as a personal afront to me, OTHERS say that I need to get over it, get over “the race thing.” Why don’t y’all say that to the ignorant ass White people (because in the cases I’ve cited, they were all white, so I’m talking about THOSE SPECIFIC white people, not ALL white people, so don’t put words in my mouth) who say that kind of crap? Why doesn’t anyone tell the white guy who said “one of your people did this” to get of his racist rhetoric and adjust his lens?

    I’m just sayin’. As you were 😉

  53. Sable permalink*
    December 3, 2009 4:37 pm

    Black people do not kill hundreds of Black people every day in the US. Please at least TRY to stick to the facts when you post comments. Because if that were true- George Bush AND his dad woulda handled that isht a LONG time ago.

  54. jane doe permalink
    December 3, 2009 5:00 pm

    @ Slim. I do understand what you are saying. And I know why I didn’t speak up which is I was sure I knew what the response would be- a diatribe full of insults and threats. I’m saying this based on past experiences not on some stereotype that that is how all black folks respond to whitey. My belief that they would respond that way (and I’m still sure they would have) is not based on the fact that they were black but the reality that when you see several thugs (of any race) walking down the street loudly shouting things that are obviously offensive they don’t say “sorry m’am” when it is pointed out to them.

  55. Interesting reading! permalink
    December 3, 2009 5:00 pm

    http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14742737

    The looming crisis in human genetics

    Nov 13th 2009

    From The World in 2010 print edition

    By Geoffrey Miller

    Some awkward news ahead

    Human geneticists have reached a private crisis of conscience, and it will become public knowledge in 2010. The crisis has depressing health implications and alarming political ones. In a nutshell: the new genetics will reveal much less than hoped about how to cure disease, and much more than feared about human evolution and inequality, including genetic differences between classes, ethnicities and races.

  56. Some Minor Corrections permalink
    December 3, 2009 5:01 pm

    “Further, if I walk around with the mentality that I need to fear black people or black men more than anyone else, well, that’s called internalized racism.”

    WRONG. It is not correctly called “internalized racism”.

    It is correctly called “FACING UP TO THE UGLY FACTS ABOUT REALITY”.

    YOU gave it gave it the liberal progressive DoubleThink NewSpeak label “internalized racism”. You can try to hide it and/or deny it with fancy semantics but the FACT remains that at least 94% of all blacks killed in the USA are killed by other blacks.

    Sable wrote: “Black people do not kill hundreds of Black people every day in the US.”

    WRONG. At least three blacks are killed by other blacks almost every day in every state in the USA. In some cities like Chicago, Detroit, etc, well over three blacks are killed by other blacks every day on average. That equals well over a hundred a day.

    I know this is hard for you to do, but please face up to the truth.

  57. Sable permalink*
    December 3, 2009 5:08 pm

    “there is no “facing up to the truth” needed on THIS side of the discussion. You seem hell bent on conquering everyone else in the discussion so that you can feel more powerful about yourself, which is not the point of the discussion at all. You’re in violation of the comment policy for posting comments under different names and fake email addresses, yet from the same computer IP address. You can review this policy in the comments policy page for clarification. Thanks for stopping by.

  58. Comment 41 permalink
    December 3, 2009 5:38 pm

    Black Murder in Seattle

    What, the stormfront website to not racist enough for you?

    Seeking out new opportunities?

    Your post seems eerily similiar to the troll post that was banned on Seattle PI’s website days ago.

    Still no traction resulting from your obviously painstaking research?

    Sad

    The fact of the matter is simple. Racist and Neo-Nazi “foot soldiers” have taken to the internet to spread as much disinformation and regurgitated anti black rhetoric as possible

    Posed as citizens concerned for the well being and safety of the “community” these individuals and groups spread tired and age old “philosophies” and talking points, ad nauseum.

    Their obvious hope is to feed off the emotion and fear felt by the passive or casual observer of recent events and perhaps add hate or “racist enlightenment” to the less informed psyche.

    Racial theory, Arianism, Right leaning Hegelism, Seperatism, Social Darwinism, and Eugenics are just a few of the pseudo-philosphies and SHAM political arguments transparently hidden behind the backdrop of “concern for the community”

    Peruse any Arab American or Immigrant related site and I’m sure “Black murder”‘s research would be repackaged to fit the Glenbeckistani approach to those groups as well (Translated from English to Spanish if the situation calls for it, of course)

    To perform counter “research” and pull numbers, dates, locations, and times of criminal activity involving Seattle’s Irish, German, Swedish, Lithuanian, Russian, English, Polish, Uzbek, Kyrgyzstani, Greek and Dutch descendants would uneceisarily facilitate “stall” writers in their own psychosis.

    Recorded Human history us open and available as never before.
    The truth of Atrocities, and the lingering effects on ALL cultural groups in the US is readily accessible.

    Googling “Seattle murders 2009” does not a study in a culture’s propensity toward evil make.

    Ironically highlighted by the fact that the gist of this discussion surrounds ‘Seattle’ a city named for a First Nations Chief that happens to located on TURTLE ISLAND (to the Natives, the portion of North America that contains the United States)

    One would have to overlook Century upon century of the murder and utter humiliation of indigenous groups by Alien groups to add the bight to the stats that the poster seeks.

    That being said, a return to the topic and the quality of the resposes on this blog would be turn for the better.

    PS-To the lingering RACISTS, although past atrocity was mentioned here, reconciliation IS always possible when mature, evolved parties assemble, IT JUST TAKES A NUDGE

    CASE in POINT:

  59. Comment 41 permalink
    December 3, 2009 5:44 pm

    Interesting Reading’s comment is also a troll post blocked elsewhere

    SHAM Philosophy regurgitated for a new audience 2009 style.

  60. Sable permalink*
    December 3, 2009 5:51 pm

    @Jane Doe, I would respectfully remind you that “you teach people how to treat you.”

    You do NO ONE any good by NOT speaking up, and simply deciding what you COULD or WOULD say won’t have any impact. You truly do not know that until you speak up. It may NOT have an immediate effect, but every time you interact with someone, you plant a seed. It sounds corny, but it’s true.

    For example,I could have not written this article because “I just knew” that racist, ignorant fools would get on and spew their rationalizations of their behaviors and beliefs. And look what happened. A few of them did just that. But that’s not ALL that happened.

    Saying that to say- don’t let them change you. Let them be who THEY are, but don’t let them change YOU.

  61. Comment 41 permalink
    December 3, 2009 6:05 pm

    Correction Aryanism not Arianism

  62. December 3, 2009 8:29 pm

    Blac Murder,

    You are wrong again DEAR. What I did by mollywhopping you was show you and everyone else on this board that a) going about in a pissing contest is RIDICULOUS and b) your revisionist sense of history is WRONG.

    You and I BOTH know that stastically blacks are nowhere NEAR killing the amount of people you “claim.”

    Sable,

    I knew what I was doing. I wanted to see how far the moron wanted to go and he showed his colors. You have to taunt them and make them lose it so that they can spout off more stupid crap, so they in turn discredit themselves for you.

    Black murder made my job entirely too easy.

    As for internalized racism, I disagree only because I and I am sure you know the statistics. They are frightening and yes I am all about self-preservation so you damned right if I see someone who looks like a thug, I remove myself from their area of operation and try to figure them out from afar. With that said, I’ve given back to the community, volunteered my time, and am changing what I can because I still believe that we can make a difference and that most people are still worthy of being fought for, regardless of race.

    If I see a bunch of sketchy black teens, like white or hispanic or asian teens, I’m on guard. That’s not racism, that’s just being cautious.

  63. December 3, 2009 8:29 pm

    Correction: Statistically

  64. December 3, 2009 8:34 pm

    @Jane Doe

    Trust and believe those two sows would’ve tried to respond to me the same way. You cannot let them dictate how you react though. Some people capitalize on the fact that they think you are afraid.

    And you know what? If they feel that poorly then let them. Who the hell cares what they think anyway? They sound massively uneducated. Don’t cast your pearls unto swine. Take it from a black woman who’s been in your shoes.

    In my life, I’ve heard ignorant comments about blacks from whites AND blacks. At first I would get angry, these days, I just laugh because I know that people who hold such ignorant ideas dear are nothing but a waste of space; the equivalent of walking, talking, breathing human offal. They’re pitiful really… And I take pity on them for being so damned stupid.

    Like Blac Murder up top lol

  65. December 3, 2009 8:38 pm

    Comment 41,

    Thanks for that. Great post. I just wanted to see how far he was willing to go when basic numbers were brought. He proved why he’s an idiot.

  66. Hector permalink
    December 11, 2009 10:48 am

    This is an interesting discussion – especially about the fake names from some of those issuing vitriol – tks for that Sable. Our emotions are like a bucking horse which we let it buck while keeping our seat to understand why that happens.

    Tks also to Comment 41 for this thread quote: “if anyone needs to “check” a certain subset of their prospective culture, people who consider themselves American citizens need to truly address the racist/supremacist garbage that rears its head during every “democratic” presidency in this Country”…

    Seems like Power & absence of Love is behind that – & it happens when the cravers are deprived.

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